Thanks for the help guys, I have been practicing the last two days, only at about 18yrds. but have been grouping about 4inches, which is alot better than when I started out. I have noticed that my sight is off but only about 4 inches to the right. my grouping is better as I work on my form and try to be as consistant as possible. I know this 4in group is not up to your guys standards but its getting better. I am wondering if I should start moving my sight yet? or should I be shooting tighter groups? thanks