Be careful if your super tight you have to be just right.My 835 has a star dot xxtra full choke tube(.676)Never had heard of it before but for $5 a walmart on closeout had to get one.Shooting # 5 winchester supremes I shot a Tom with a paint brush beard hanging off him at about 17 yards,before I shot I said to my self aim for the base of the neck and squeeze.The bird was facing straight at me,down he went hard,but when I got to him I noticed only a few strands of beard.I knew what I saw before I shot and on closer examination there was beard all around.I picked up a huge handful and kept it.Any way the pattern from my 835 at 17 yards was the size of a softball and all hit directly in the chest.Guess next time I'll aim a bit higher.But if you are off just a bit in close with your super tight pattern it will result in a miss.Some thing to keep in mind.Good luck