If at all possible, those who don't see P&Y class bucks every time out should try to go on a western late muley hunt. The bucks are in the rut and if the weather co-operates they will be migrating. On a typical bowhunt outside of this late hunt. No, I don't see these kind of deer on a regular basis. But on this hunt I do. What a treat. I look foward to it the whole year. The weather is usually cold and the hills are silent. The silence is broken by bucks grunting all over the hillsides. I love to watch the bucks run the hills like a bunch of hound-dogs. Noses to the ground and totally clueless to anything other than their hormones. Last year I hunted in the fog and could hear them crunching rocks and grunting all around me. I passed up several bucks in the 20-25 inch range. I was after the big guy. A 30 in non-typical, which I had at 10yrds at one time. He kept his vitals hidden. He stayed for about 5 min. At 20 yrds and less. Tearing into trees and grunting. I never did get a shot but feel like I was more than successful. Oh beleive me. I get it, got it, and have it bad.........