I agree Frank. There seem to be a few guys on these boards who try to gang up on you when you suggest to someone seeking advice that they should spend the money on a quality scope. You get answers like "all my buddies and me use bushnell/simmons/tasco and we've never had one break, you're just wasting money on a leupold". I'll take them at their word when they say their cheapo scope hasn't broken but all that tells me is that they are either very lucky or don't shoot much. My favorites are the guys that spend $1500 on a weatherby and top it with a $80 simmons. They'd be much better off spending $400 on a savage and topping it with a $500 leupold. I've got a box of cheap scopes that failed over the years and cost me a bunch of money in ammo shot trying to zero them not knowing they had failed. Fortunately I've never lost an animal to a scope failure. I now only use Leupold or better (meaning swarovski, S&B, or Zeiss). With the amount of money I invest in hunting a good scope is really cheap insurance. As someone said "only a rich man can afford a cheap scope".