I think for hunting in the Hoyts the Xtec is the way to go. In the Mathews the Outback. And in the Bowtech I think the '04 Single cam Patriot. I don't think you can look at just the ATA anymore. When 32-34 ATA bows are coming in with 23-25 inch risers they're not the same animals as when you picked up the thunderbolt.