went to the shop at lunch. The Outbacks were in. I love the new camo. The grip is an improvement, IMHO, over the older grips. I did not have time to shoot one, but I did draw a 29". It was much smoother than my bow with the max cam, but it was backed off some. I could creep more than with the Ultramax, but not much more. There were no 04 Bowtechs, so I could not compare it to the MM VFT anyway. I will go back when I have more time.