Thanks for all your help guys... stupid Browning sold (of course)... in case you wanted to know it was at Carolina Sportsman though in South Carolina(around York). I was also wrong about the Winchester model... it is a 1400 mk II. I am going to go look at it again today, but i think i may just hold off. as for the pumps, i really want an auto loader, just a matter a preference... thanks again...