zak123, sometimes it is the bow, not the brand necessarily, but the setup. It could be out of tune, etc. But, 2 inch groups sounds good to me. I've been shooting for 12 years now, and I can't do much better than that. That is good shooting. When I REALLY practice alot, I can shoot lights out and literally hit anything I aim at out to 40yds, but it takes a hell of alot of practice to do it, and I don't have that kind of time anymore. I will settle for 2 inch groups at 20 and 4-5 inch groups at 30. That is WAY better than most people can truly shoot.