I have seen them in the store.. Have checked them out a few.. Its like most things if you can buy it at wal-mart and/or its cheap people put it down. Alot of guys spend way to much on a gun.. A cheap gun will kill a animal just as dead as a expense one.. I thinks its more of a my gun is better than yours thing... Most of the time the cheap stuff is just same good.... Just my 2 cents worth...