doughboy i have also seen people draw their bow with this big upswing for added power. I just like to have a chuckle at these characters becasue what happens when they try that move in a stand. A deer will spot or hear that like nothin and won't stick around for a shot. i guess another thing to remember FOR SOME individuals is that they can handle 70 pounds easily practicing but when a shot presents itself they are so excited they lose strength and can't draw. Hasn't happened personally but i have heard of it happening to others.