bluejacket, exactly my point. we have hooked people on 3d. they love shooting and are at every CLUB shoot every time a range is set. we just cannot convince them that they need to buy additional equipment to shoot in the ibo. most understand the classes and what goes along with that, they just dont want to buy binoculars...you see it as addressing things on a national level, and i see it as 1200 participants at an ibo event, millions of bowhunters....the 1200 participants are always going to be there, what we need to do is access the millions.......