Cougar Mag, I was just defending the fellow bow hunters. Now that you have impressed upon your intentions with the post I now see your view. It seemed to me that you were going against peoples beleifs about broadhead choice. I was of those involved in the heated debate and felt that this was a carry over. I guesse that I am suffering from CWD. Continually Wanting to Deer hunt. And you are correct about people needing to work as hard on themselves as they do their equipment. I do however also beleive that one should take care to make sure that if a marginal shot is made that there is the optimum chance of recovering the animal. And with the penetration tests that I do I try to get the perfect balance of accuracy and penetration to insure a quick clean kill. I hunt alot of large animals and penetration is the name of the game. So these tests are beneficial and foolish nonsense. I dont however shoot brick walls as I have found it to be expensive when you shoot A/C/C's Have a great day!!!