robinhood11x you said that a muzzy would have stayed in well don't be so sure. A friend of mine went to kansas this year one of the people that went with him shot a buck with 100 gr. muzzy hit the leg bone right below the shoulder and bounced out like it hit a brick wall and they got it all on video. A hunter that came the next week killed the same buck and they examined it and the muzzy did very little damage