Cherokee, energy is the factor here. Velocity to boot. Speed does kill. There is two trains of thought here. Killing by sizzling speeds, and killing by a very large massed bullet. Both have proven to work well. Just to each his own.

Have you priced 458Win ammo lately compared to a WSM?

Superpig, believe it or not, alot of shooters out there really wanted a weatherby type round that is unbelted without an insane amount of freebore. then there was another bunch of people (alot of bench people), that wanted a short action high powered caliber. I was one of them. I have proved time and again to myself that finding a very accurate load for Short Action is much more easier than with a long action. I embrace the new offerings. Makes it fun. I mean we as Americans have the right not to buy or to buy.