I use the Mossberg, my dad uses the 870. I shot both guns yesterday. The 870 put 25 pellets in the target (turkey's head) and the 835 put 6. I used the same shell, same rest, same everything. Maybe I flinched a little on the Mossberg since the Rem kicked, I will have to shoot it again, but the Mossberg is gonna have to perform better than this.