Danny, it WAS my point in my post to show that the .45acp is better at translating energy to the body...I wanted to point out that when people claim that "heavy winter clothing will absorb energy, so I use a .45acp", that they've got it backwards, if EITHER WERE effected, which they aren't, my tests proved it, the .45acp would be effected more than the 9mm, so if a heavy coat would stop any bullet, it would stop a .45acp before a 9mm.

Aught six, I agree that most people do wear some layers under their winter coats, but if you'll re-read my post, I pointed out that IF ANY CLOTHING worked at all, 6 layers of sweatshirt were better than a winter coat, I never lived in alaska, but I did live in North Minnesota and about an hour uphill from denver Denver-Winter park Co, I certainly don't know anyone who ran around in 6sweaters under a wintercoat...I also pointed out that A SINGLE SHEET OF CARDBOARD PROVIDED THE GREATEST REDUCTION IN VELOCITY THAT I WITNESSED (the best protection that a non-plastic barrier produced in my tests at least, a cooler lid slowed the bullets about 100fps)-Cardboard slowed the bullets 10x better than the winter coats and considerably better than the sweatshirts, and even still it was a miniscule depletion in velocity, not enough to make me consider the capabilities of my round against an assailant in a cardboard suit. People who know anything about cold don't wear leather jackets to stay warm either.

Based on my results (with a 9mm Ruger P-89), to get even a 100fps depletion in velocity, a person would have to wear about 25sweatshirts, I only noted an average of about 32fps decline when shooting through a sweater folded in quarters=8layers...when shooting through a wintercoat, My average velocity decrease through a poly cotton filled winter coat (front and back=two layers), was only about 6fps, through a goose down jacket it was about 10fps...through a piece of garment leather and two layers of sweater-typical leather jacket, I got 8fps decline, through a piece of cardboard, I got an average of 55fps decline...Even shooting through folded Saddle skirting, two layers of 14oz leather, which the HEAVIEST dusters are only one layer of 5-6oz, I only noted about 40fps. A single T-shirt showed no decrease, but at 10layers, I started getting hits that dropped

Based on my findings, the clothing you described would slow a bullet around 15-20fps at the MOST...not enough to make me think twice.

Yes, I do agree that the .45acp is better for stopping power, I just wanted to point out that the entire "thich clothing" debate is absolutely unsupported. It sounds good, makes sense I guess, but my chrony proved otherwise...I tested it because I was uncertain, and I proved it wrong.

BTW, I did these tests at the indoor range at my the police training center here in town, I worked two years as a LEO and still work as a BEA-bounty hunter if you will-between my real occupation, working with guys that had been in the business for longer than I'd been alive, this came up from time to time, and none of them ever felt that they were any safer in the winter from what they're wearing or in any more danger in the winter from bad guys wearing thick clothes...if it worked for badguys, the good guys would do it too, I guarantee it's cheaper to buy 50 officers thick coats than kevlars.