DG-----I think what Quilly was trying to say that the Remington 870 put the Model 12 under. The Model 12 was machined----the 870 was stamped. Remington could sell the 870 at a mucher cheaper price. I believe Winchester cut the price on the Model 12-----to the point that they were losing money on each one sold. Pretty sure that they came out with the Model 1300 to compete with the Remington 870-----And then discontinued the Model 12. At least that's the way I remember it. Still a Model 12 is a great pump action gun. Lots of trap shoots are won with it every year!!