rambopacker, I'm not trying to be controversial or combative here. I would like to support you and your fellow foresters, rangers etc. as much as I can. The wilderness concept is fine except it really screws the folks that have a bit of a problem getting around in a true wilderness. If you're twenty something, in perfect health and have the time, you can do a "Wilderness Experience" with little trouble. If you happen to be one of the thousands of people with some injury or handicap (or a full time job with a family to support) that prevents you from doing it the "Right Way" that's just tough. Further more, I don't expect you to have all of the answers nor yet know all of the questions, but, as I stated before, your post started off as if you were looking for some backup or support, then you do a 180 and are defending the beaurocracy that has put you in a bind. As for the chainsaws vs crosscuts, hey whatever flips your bic. I do know a man can run a chainsaw for 8 or 10 hours and be a little more fresh than if he had been running a crosscut, and with our tax money (yours and mine) paying the freight, I'd as soon get more done for the time and effort expended. Any manager, whether a forest manager or a bank manager, that doesn't do that should be fired.