I have to agree with gunsite on this one. Sure there are bullets that will retain their energy out to 300 yards enough to kill a deer. It is true that with certain bullets and loads a 2 and 1/2 inch group is attainable at 200 yards. The problem is there are many factors that come into play here. Not the least of which, most people have never even tried to see how their gun and load react at a range beyond 150 yards. Even for those that know exactly how much kinetic energy and drop their shot will have at a range beyond 200 yards, there is still wind drift, absense of a bench rest, and the target might move or be moving. Yes there are bullets and guns capable, but even in the best of siituations a shot of over 200 yards to be ethically taken, requires much more than the average hunter has aquired. I hate myself for admitting this for obvious reasons. But, remember it wasn't long ago that a 100 yard shot was a bit risky, yet now, a 150 yard shot is well within most peoples grasp, given the right bullet, load, practice, circumstances and rifle.