BJ, even when you drop the hillbilly/hayseed act I still have a difficult time trying to figure out what you're trying to say. I don't know if today you're one of those tree hugging hypocrites from the city or Griz Adams but I do know this. If that land truly does belong to everyone, then everyone should have the opportunity to use it and have a say in how its managed. You will also run the gamut of types of people who want to use it, from the tree hugger to the recreational user to the commercial user. So, if these trails must be maintained, then get the crews in and then get them out as quick as possible. If that means using a chainsaw to reach this goal, then by all means, go at it. I've cleaned up after too many blowdowns in my time to realize how impractical it is to use buck saws or axes. Better to return the site to its expected condition in a few days than have a crew tied up for a month in the heat of the summer or in the middle of hunting season. Remember, RBPacker was talking about repairing and cleaning 12 miles of trail, not clear cutting a super highway. Don't forget, it was these 'pink asses' as you put it, who probably were instumental in bringing in the noice polution restrictions. These people are the proverbial camel. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile. Next thing they'll want is archery only as the sound of a rifle shot will be disturbing to them. Then they'll want yada yada...... you get where I'm going with this. Happy trails, gentlemen......