Now I don't really like reading gun mags for the most part. In one issue, sponsered by Winchester, those rifles are the greatest thing since sliced bread. Than in the next issue, that same writer won't shoot anything but Remington. See my point? Just an example, but true in most cases. I also work for a sporting goods store, and have played a little. My opinion on the Wssm's is controversal. People are lazy. Thats all. Unless were talking about a Model 70 Featherweight, or tikka T3 for a carrying rifle, most guys want a heavy barrel varmint gun right? I know theres more lighter ones out there but you see where I'm coming from. Now in a scoped rifle that weighs, say ten pounds, is that 3/4 inch shorter action going to save weight? Than guys will say the Wssms have a shorter bolt throw for faster follow up shots. But be honest, does that shorter bolt really help that much? I told you it was controversal. Now look at ballistics. The .223 Wssm will fly appox. as fast as a .220 Swift. And the .243? Guys think it shoots a 100 grain slug at 4000fps. But it's really a 55 grainer at about 4030 fps, factory loaded. Impressive yes but I loaded my model 70 Varminter in .243 Win with IMR 3031 powder, and 55 grain Nolsler balistic tips, and launched them at 4000 fps. No pressure signs, and lots of case capacity to go. Now you may say that you could probably stuff more powder in the short mag, but do you really need to go faster than that? Everything I shot out to 300 yards exploded almost instantly. I'm not sold yet. I dont know about the rest of you, but I'll stick with my tried and true, been around forever cartridges. Sorry if I've offended anyone.