Well when I was in the Army Reserves we were on the firing ranges with the 7.62's (308) for you civilian types....and I was at the butts hoisting & lowering the targets when a stray round richocetted off my brain bucket.....thank god I was wearing it & I swiped it when I left the Reserves & I still have that bucket here at home today....[:-]....Brampton Mike[8D]