Atlasman has a good point, to a certain extent. If the guy out west, in a large open area, is with a guide, then I would have to say it's definately "shooting". However, if he's done his homework and goes out glassing the countryside, spots, stalks and bags the game himself, then he's done rather well for himself. You can't take away from the man. I would love to do that myself someday (without the guide). Two reasons for no guide.............. #1 no middle man to pay and #2 degree of difficulty (it's much greater). One more thing.....no game preserve! Too easy (sorry fellas).

Atlasman, I too hunt NY. For years I've hunted the Adirondacks and their Foothills. I haven't seen/taken many shots over 35-40 yards. You have to be silent and motionless on watch due to the fact that deer sneak right up on you. The chances of getting busted are extrememly high! Far too many hiding places. Now I hunt out in Western NY and it is a beautiful thing. I invite all my friends from the Adirondacks out here and they cannot believe the difference. We usually pass on 10-15 bucks in the first two weeks of the season. In the Adirondacks, unless you have your own SWEET plot, you can't afford to pass squat!

Bn'R