Hey Frank,

I was just razzing you about ignoring my posts… and feel free to move my posts wherever it is most approriate.

As I said, I’m as surprised as you are. Perhaps the new Excel cam is more similar to the old Saber in more ways than one.

Don’t forget that those of us who are draw length challenged get a substantially different feel on adjustable cams than those who have the cam maxed out. You’ll notice on some cam designs and settings that the cable/string will bottom in the track before hitting the cable stop (depnding on design , letoff setting etc). Oftentimes for shorter draw length shooters the cable will hit the stop w/out the luxury of having the extra reinforcement of the track as well.

Again, the amount of “play” (for lack of better word) is very small, but is noticeable in Hoyt cams at my draw length. Tug on a Mathew Conquest w/ a 28” standard Max cam, or a B/J PWCII w/ a 28 or 29” module, and you’ll feel what I’m talking about. You can put a bit too much pressure on the wall, and this can give you some those flyers.

As far as nock travel goes, I’ve had 3 reports on 2000 model G-3’s w/ the FM. One I witnessed, and 2 are reports from members here whom I consider quite knowledgeable and trustworthy (as would you). Those 2000 models did not have level nock travel. The new 2002 G3.2 and the FM has apparently been re-machined to insure that it does indeed have level nock travel. Don’t know otherwise. The Infinity/PF cam does not have level nock travel either (and BT makes no such claim), however I’m inclined to believe its minimal from the nocking point settings I need to get bullet holes.

Be that as it may, I was not necessarily discussing the amount of nock travel deviation, but rather the consistency of said deviation.

I find the Infinity/PF cams valley quite comfy and narrow at the same time. You have the feel of wider valley without having a wider valley. That’s what I mean by the “deep hole”. I’ve heard other folks who are not BT owners say the same: they love the way the PF cams “hold”. The valley on the Infinity cam does get narrow at below 65% letoff and is not as comfy, however there’s no “grey area”, you are either in or out, and you will know it.

If you happen to like High letoff (75%), you might want to stay w/ the standard PF cam, as the wall on the largest modules sizes is as hard as it gets for a non-limb stop design. But the Infinity cam is so much more fun to play with (amazingly, I’ve adjusted the letoff from 65 to 75 to 60 just to shoot the bow w/ different feels, and when I returned to the appx 65% position my sights were still dead on as before. The cam is quite consistent).

As far as speed on the ES, I know a fellow who was shooting an option 2 2000 model in the 320’s w/ a 31” module (5 grains). Even though the 2000 models ran long in draw length, the 2001/2002 models are getting the same or better speed w/ AMO draw lengths, due to the improvements made each year. My 29” MM shot 308 on the spec sheet, and shot 306 w/ loop, and tru-peep, and leeches close to the cam/idler). You can figure the same or better performance on the option 2 ES but add in about 15 to 20 FPS due to draw length and then you’ll need to compensate for heavier or lighter string stuff. (at 70 LBs.)

My 2000 model Option 2 w/ a 28 ¾” AMO draw(60LB peak 300 gr. arrow) shot the same speed as the spec sheet said w/ 1 brass nock: 296 FPS.

JeffB