I know, but I can't seem to down ducks this year. I think they are wearing dire hard blue steel feathers. Went out this morning, (5th trip) and still no dead birds. I was using #4's and an outfitter told me to switch to BB's. Thought about reloading hevishot, but you really don't save very much. So I thought about duplexing BB's and #2 steelshot.