Frank,

My son is just now getting to the early potty training age…honestly the diapers are much better than having to read him books like “Everyone Poops” (no lie, imagine reading a cartoon book about animals, birds, and humans anatomy and how we all do poop…you should see the rhino picture..EWWWWW..looks like someone turned on the garden hose!


RE: the DTI. Yup…I couldn’t believe it either! My HavocTec has as much or more wear on it than the original cable on my Y2K Defiant! (that bow has had a thousand and a half arrows through it I’m sure, if not more). I love the advantages of the DTI as well, it’s just the cam technology that’s “lacking”, IMO. And yes the stop is pretty good, not mushy. But you still can pull back a bit farther than you should.

The PSE LC cam bows did have a bit of torque applied, especially the LC1 (the one w/ 5 different stop “mounts”). They sold different size stops for each draw length module for this reason. This is also a product of limb torque (The Magna-glass limbs are worse than the Barnsdale limbs on the Durango) and quality of bushings. I’m familiar w/ the problem, but it has not surfaced on the Infinity cam to my knowledge.

I think the real reason the limb-stop works so well is nock travel: As most of us here know or have read, Most one-cams have uneven, and non-level nock travel. We also know that when a singlecam gets out of time it starts to affect the nock travel, and how well they shoot. The reason that the wall of single cam bows has become more solid is to make sure that the deviation of nock travel is consistent. When it’s consistent, the problem is minimized. When the first generation Mathews and Jennings cams came out, they really didn’t have that great of wall (especially by today’s standards), and they also had wider valleys. They also had very poor nock travel. Combine the three and you’ve got a recipe for accuracy disaster. By varying tension on the wall, or shooting from various points in a wider valley, it was seriously screwing up the accuracy, because the “mistake” in arrow flight was anything but consistent. As the one-cam’s have progressed those walls have become more solid, and valley’s have become tighter…and the reason is nock travel. The less variation (even minor) you have in draw length the more consistent the “mistake” and hence the increased consistency and accuracy. By designing an extremely narrow valley, and rock solid wall, you’ve got the best combination. On a 2 cam bow you can just tiller and synch tune the cams so that any variation at the wall or valley can be compensated for: no can do on the one cam.

And that’s why I love the limb stop (assuming it’s a good design w/ quality parts), as it makes the variation as absolutely minor as possible, and translates that into the most consistent arrow flight and accuracy. If you are drawing, anchoring, and executing the shot like a normal person, you can’t overdraw on the stop (creating a variation), and as long as your draw length is correct, you don’t create a variation by creeping. That, in addition to great construction is why I feel they (Bowtech) have the extra edge in the accuracy department. This is the reason why my Mathews Rival Pro to this day is the most accurate shooting Mathews I’ve ever owned. The wall was similar in feel to a limb stop, and that’s why the majority of the Mathews Pro’s shoot the Min-Max cam on the Conquest and C2 If their draw length warrants it.

I’ve had 2 “pro”-shop employees tell me that they could not shoot the BM2000 and Bear Codes (both w/ Supercam) worth a damn past 25 yards (because they were so poorly built) one day when I brought mine in for a new cable. I asked if those guys were shooting the stop, and they both said “no”, they had wanted the extra valley for hunting (both of these guys are good shots too). I tried to explain the whole nock travel thingy and they kind of just shook their heads and rolled their eyes. After I got my cable on, I went out to the indoor 3D range, and proceeded to shoot a 3 inch group of 220 FPS 2413’s out to a 40 yard McKenzie Caribou once I sighted in at 20. I told them I must have got a really well built one.

It’s not a perfect solution, but it’s the best one so far, IMO.

JeffB