I've stated in other forums that in the past 25 years of hunting the same land in clinton co. that it is easy for me to sit in the stand & see 35-50 deer a day the first week of rifle season. This year 13 deer the 1st 3 days? Now im not gonna sit here & pretend to know it all,,, but theres a problem and a damn big one somewhere in the area. I've done some talking around since season end to find out that between the amish & the area being red tagged for a friggin free for all that there were over 180 deer killed in two farms in the valley below my land just this past fall before hunting season even started!!!!!! THATS WRONG & I DONT CARE WHAT ANYONE SAYS! the area i hunt cant stand that kind of slaughtering. And thats just 2 farms,,,Due to tight lips God only knows what has been killed on the other 50 farms but most of them are owned by amish so you can bet they were hammered as well. Clinton/Centre co. deer herds are down WAY DOWN!!!!!!!!!!