AKDoug, yes the friend I was talking about is the owner of Mtn. Archery. He is a great guy. Very smart business man. He and 4 of his buddies came here to Ohio to deer hunt with us a few years ago, and me, my dad and 3 buddies are going out to elk hunt with them, hopefully this next season. had a blast with them. We sat around at night talking about his business and he is really sharp. We couldn't believe the amount of raw shafts he orders at a time. It was amazing. He really does an outstanding job. He is a big boy too. He was shooting a 100 lb. Bowtech Samson when he was here. You talk about a smokin arrow!!! We told him that we would be glad to gut the deer for him, he didn't have to do it with the shot!