I killed a nice 7 point at, no kidding, 3 steps. I was on a logging path and I was on one side of a tree and he was on the other. With a 12 gauge when I got the gun up he looked at the gun and not me and stood there until I fired. I shot the whole front of his chest off, he still went back in the woods about 50 yards. I could not beloeve it. This was 15 years ago and I have not had any kind of deer that close again.