In reply to takem, yes the meat is one of the main reasons I hunt. But I was merely talking about the fact that there is not much in the shoulder except hamburger or the occasional roast, and I always have hamburger running out my ears anyway, If there is gonna be some damage anyway I don't feel like I've lost much when I lose a little hamburger. Besides, as I stated above with the bullets that I use I gaurantee you a soft point or ballistic tip in any caliber shot behind the shoulder will do as much damage as I will, a lot of time from blood shot alone.