I use a 4 arrow Kwikee. Small and easy to take off once you get to the stand. Then they have adapters that you can screw into the tree and attach the quiver to. I use Blackhawk Vapor arrows. I've heard they stop grouping after so many shots but have yet to find that out for myself. I've shot two deer this year and both arrows were fine and had complete pass throughs. Just cleaned them off and stuck them back in the quiver.