RE: saveg muzzel loder
I have one and love it,there is a pic of a 5 -shot group I shot with it a few days ago in the muzzleloader section.If smokless is forbidden in the state you hunt in you can use the subs in it too and it still shoots great.Its not the prettiest rifle but it sure works.
I have other muzzleloaders by knight,ruger,t/c and love them too which all of them shoot very well also.Took 2 with the t/c encore this year.Brother which shoots a savage took 4 this year and he only uses pyro in his.
Don't think you would go wrong with either one.