nomercy , i know you werent attacking . thats the wonderful thing about this forum. you can state your opinion , you can state documented facts . you can ask questions , you can get answers . but most important ,you may pick up somthing in here that will someday make you a better more informed hunter .that hog i took was with an h.k. u.s.p. varient 2 , at about 20 feet away the first shot put him down the second shot put him away . he was 245 pounds , i was on the ground when i took him and just about s--- myself !