Thank you all for your input. Santa Jim has concluded that his son, Joe will be thwakkin from a Lonewolf next season. We ordered it over the net and with shipping it will come to $315. Next year he will be studying environmental science at Syracuse and now that he has his 1st. climber he can haul butt into the Adirondacks for weekend hunts. I suppose for his birthday in January I had better get him some topos for nearby areas. That is a lot of territory and I want him to start getting familiarized with certain portions. Thanks again for all the kind help.