yup I have 3 of those J-8's and I think they are junk LOL! If you dont want to go bitz pick up the BPE Pros!!! I agree with LBR though, I wish I would have spent my money on bitz's! I have played with the multi jo jans and really dont like them. The tolerances from one side to the other was really bad, being the feathers werent in the same spot on arrow 1 as it was on arrow 6. It might be the best of both worlds though if you dont mind to much as it is pretty close and the cost for 6 is much better then any of the singles on the market. I havent had the chance to use the BPE pro's but I have looked at them and I am excited to give them a try. Time and money are the only things holding me back.