howler, have you ever hunted the first day of rifle season on public land in warren county, pennsylvania?? there is orange everywhere and it's usually "if it's brown, it's down". i had a guy scope me with his rifle and i had to jump up and down waving my arms because i thought he was going to shoot me. i aproached the guy about it and he was checking to see if i was a streemer or not. i said man i know i'm not a real big guy but i know i'm not that small!! it's like world war III