James thanks for the update, i had my fingers crossed that it would be the 260 Rem but thats the way it goes. The 8x57 is a disappointment for me and i agree with what vapodog posted. I want a 260 but i don't want the model 7 or the Titanium, i'd like to find one of the older ones like they use to make. I think it was a BDL with detachable mag, not sure. I found one remington mountain rifle chambered in 260 but i'm not crazy about the pencil barrel on that one. I'm gonna keep looking until spring and if i can't find a Remington it looks like i'll be a first time Ruger owner. I just recently bought my son a new in the box Remington Classic 25.06 for Christmas. The classic is a nice gun.