hey catskill i had 2 different clubs in zone 21 drive right by me in less than 3 hours. if you were hunting in a stand instead of driving you would understand. those clubs are very rude! and think they own the woods. i dont think how they hunt is very manly but i dont knock the 100 man drives as those pines are pretty big and the deer get through the drives because they try to drive too big a piece of land. most small clubs i know sit the first couple hours in the morning then drive the mid morning to afternoon then sit for the late afternoon. [:@] i think thats a better way for all!