Well I seen it for my own eyes and over and over again. This past weekend I hunted PA with a good bud jalvja. Pa. regs state orange is required. After spending time on watch ,I had 35 different deer at different times come within 30-60 yards of me. All the deer stopped well in range. Only one buck spotted me when I made a move, he still stood long enough I could have taken a shot. This has really gave me a different view on hunter orange...BT