2 years since my last post on the creed, have been stretching it out, the thing will shoot! have had it out the last month or so banging steel. Its an AR10 22" barrel and its almost a given that 33.25 MOA will put the bullet somewhere into 1.5 MOA at 1100 yards shooting factory hornady ammo. last fall took whitetails at 467, 230, and a bear at 388 yards. the little cartridge impresses me with its accuracy, however energy for deer hunting max's out at around 600 yards.