lol thanx vaopdog...glad i helped out some....im sure pics would be better....but one deers already venision and the other is about to be....and i have no way to get pics on here.....i know the bullet held together very well.....nice exit holes....and i cant find the entrances from the outside of either....i know they are there just tiny....the lungs from the second deer(far one) were blown to bits......the first one all i could find of the heart were a few chunks......so maybe it expanded alot inside then folded back before exit.......