The deal for me is.....I just dont need or want the added size/weight of a long action. After being spoiled with a Ultra Light Arms model 20, i put a high value on easy to carry. I got a friend that wacks a deer each year with a 243 and the 80gr GMX bullet. He aint no long range shooter either. Within 200 yards he will drop them just as good as most can because he can put that little bullet right where it needs to go. That mini Howa is fairly affordable. A Grendel uses so little powder with performance good enough in a 22" im pretty confident it would do exactly what i want without the $4000 price tag of a NULA. My ULA is a ML, no longer offered. It can shoot a 275gr bullet over 2400fps so you can imagine the recoil is not a whole lot of fun if shooting for recreation. A nice little 6.5 even a feather weight would be a hoot by comparison.