OH and I forgot to mention, on the cabela's iron Ridge boots, I was speaking on there ALL leather versions one's not the one's that have the nylon uppers, then I never tired, I prefer All leather boots I can treat the leather on ,as I found this makes boots last a LOT longer(have some Danner Super Rain forest model boots that are 25+ yrs old and still holding up, and still waterproof, awesome costly up front, but LONG lasting, work boots, but not so great for hunting ))