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I want you to engage your grey matter for a moment if that is even remotely possible.
How many of this sort of thread have you seen comparing the 308 to the Creed? Lots right? Why? Do you ever remember seeing one comparing the 308 to the 260 Rem? Or the 6.5 Rem Mag? Why not? Why the hype about the Creed when both the 260 and the 6.5 Mag predate it and are equal to or even actually better ballistically? Nosler loading data shows the 6.5 Rem Mag pushing a 140 gr bullet 250 fps faster than the Creed. Don't believe me, look it up. So is the Creed fanaticism "magic" or is it hype? Nobody seems to be able to tell me what the "magic" is and that's my point. The Creed is not magic and it does not do anything a number of other cartridges do but they never got the hype. By your own post it will do the same thing the others do but it does not do anything they can't do. Get it?
Perhaps you haven't noticed that I do not place any "magic" on the Creed nor do I buy into the hype. The Creed does 1 thing and only 1 thing better than the 260 Rem and the 6.5 Mag (add the 6.5x57, 6.5x68, 264 Win Mag to that list) and that is sell rifles simply due to the hype. I don't add the Swede on that list because it has been around long enough as a military round that there are probably a few million rifles chambered in the Swede world wide (most of them in Europe) and the Creed won't best that number in my life time. You do know the Swede was a military rifle don't you and that there are huge numbers overseas don't you? Or are you one of those shooters that cannot think past the USA? Ever been to Europe? Or Africa? Or Asia? Ever hunted and shot in those places? You haven't have you. Perhaps you fail to understand metric calibers and where they are used in the greatest numbers?
I keep asking what the "magic" is since the Creed is the only 6.5 caliber that has got the hype. The only honest answer is that it has no "magic" just a lot of hype and that again is my point. And here's a newsflash, I don't give a rip if you agree with me or not. Your opinion holds zero value to me on this subject.
You need to bleach the mold off your so called grey matter, you got online learned to meme and now your an expert on the net, nobody here claims there is anything extra special about the 6.5 creed, its just a modern cartridge (less body taper, sharper shoulders so it can handle higher pressures than the other 6.5's you mention, they shoot the same bullet at the same speed with less powder. but to take advantage of the BC of the .264 bullets you need more cubic inches for a hunting round. BC does not have much effect on the bullets flight till around 600 yards, at the range the creed is running low on steam for big game hunting. I have a creed, am not that impressed but for normal hunting it does as well as the 260, swede, etc. Now what you have to realize is the fact that the way information flows on the net you have to figure out what info is accurate and what is what you call hype. There are those who have never fired a decent rifle who went out and bought a creed, and touted their results on the www. and then a bunch of unknowings followed suit, those with knowledge and common sense can filter it out, and disregard it, but you have to buck up to everyone who picks out what is good about the cartridge because as NM stated it is as good as your beloved swede and has a couple point advantage. in a custom cut min spec chamber in the right hands it can be loaded to a significant advantage over the swede due to its case design for reasons I have stated above, your not believing the hype, neither are we, just stating facts about the differences.
Its how information goes on the net, folks with education but zero experience making statements which are correct in they're opinion but factually incorrect, ya need to learn to filter facts from BS, instead of dwelling on them just because someone points out the good points of the cartridge.
I remember when the 17 HMR was first introduced, the first post I read on HNI about it stated "suitable for small game varmints and edible game up to and including smaller subspecies of deer" common sense says a highly volatile 17 gr. v-max at 2500 fps is not in any way, shape, or for a deer round. I bought one when the started making decent hunting ammo and have used it with good success on game up to coyote size, and have taken a couple deer with it on damage permits. All in all my point is, just cause its on the net doesn't make it a fact!