Ok. So they don't kick very much then. That's good to know. I've actually never really shot a 20 gauge before. Only shot one once or twice and even then I don't really remember what the recoil felt like. I do however shoot my 870 12 gauge for deer and turkey so I guess I can handle the recoil. Here in VA we have a 50 grains of powder minimum for both rifle and pistol. I think I'll stick with the rifle for now until I can get comfortable with the idea of shooting a 50 caliber hand cannon. One more question. What would a good hunting charge for deer be out of the rifle with .490 patched round ball?