I usually use hang on stands anymore. I get too exhausted using a climber that by the time I get 12' + off the ground I'm so tired I take a nap! I'd like to invent a treestand that you clamp to the tree that has rotating grippers and an electric motor. You attach it to the tree, get on it, put your safety belt on the tree (remember safety first!), push a button and it climbs the tree like an elevator! When you get to your desired height you lock it into place. Wouldn't that be cool for us old guys?