Originally Posted by hardcastonly

• you seldom find people how once having used these pistol caliber carbines,
•  
  • be aware that the pistol caliber carbines
  • (most are available in 9mm para caliber,
  • with
  • 40 S&W and 10mm and 45 acp
  
  
  
• who don,t have a strong opinion either favorable or negative,
• they are either appreciated for lower recoil,
• lower cost ammo and being a handy personal defensive weapon,
• or as many guys see them,
• a rather archaic , tool that has decades ago been superseded,
• with the much more powerful ,
• m1 carbine,
• 
• AR-15/

• AK-47 style carbines
• 

• These other caliber options like .40 S&W and 10mm and 45 acp
• are generally much more scarce or limited availability versions)
• are fun to plink with and ammo's reasonably priced
• these can be fun for informal plinking.
• and certainly would in some cases be a good personal defensive weapon for the home,
• or wife to have available in your home
• ,as recoil and muzzle blast is very very low and even a novice can generally shoot these well,with minimal practice,
• provided shes willing to gain familiarity and practice in its use.
• but its a weapon platform the military in most countrys no longer issues
• ,in significant numbers,
• they are generally reserved for special ops troops in very limited numbers
• pistol caliber carbines are not generally used by most front line combat troops,
• and there's a damn good reason,
• most pistol caliber carbines are almost the size and weight of an intermediate rifle caliber carbine,
• in calibers like 223/5.56 and 7.62/39 and similar cartridges,
• those calibers have more than twice the punch,
• and three times the effective range.
• most of the current commercial available pistol carbines could never pass military durability trials
• (the UZI , H&K MP 5 and AK and AR 15 based versions are an exception)
• yeah, police and security forces use some versions,
• so ask yourself if you were given a choice in weaponry and in either case,
• weight and size were similar.
• the smaller pistol caliber carbines are mostly used with suppressors
• (silencers??)
• (that suppressor being added requires an additional ATF form and $200 tax stamp and approval)
• where the smaller pistol calibers, and 8"-12" barrels,
• make a great deal of sense,
• is with the suppressor use.
• because they are designed and used at under 100 yards,
• to take out sentries with greatly reduced noise in the military use.
• Id bet most of us, if given a choice in a potential personal defensive, combat scenario,
• would step up to an intermediate rifle caliber carbine,
• in calibers like 223/5.56 , 30 us govt carbine and 7.62/39 and similar cartridges,
• personally Id damn sure rather carry a carbine ,
• in calibers like 223/5.56 and 7.62/39 and similar cartridges,
• now semi auto carbines are available in under 16" barrel lengths,
• but if you buy one it requires a NFA $200 tax stamp and ATF approval,
• which has restrictions and can take 4-7 months for approval
• a carbine with a 16" barrel is the size of an intermediate cartridge carbine and to me it's a bad trade-off ,
• you lost potential range and power, using a pistol caliber,
• but are carrying the similar weight and size weapon.

If you might prefer something thats a good deal less military in appearance and very effective, in a personal defense carbine
theres always the option of a marlin 44 mag lever gun

https://gundigest.com/rifles/ar-15/s...aliber-carbine

https://www.ammoland.com/2019/08/6-r...e-makes-sense/

https://www.learnaboutguns.com/2008/...pros-and-cons/

https://thegunzone.com/best-9mm-carbines/

https://www.shootingillustrated.com/...ines-for-2019/

https://kalashnikov-usa.com/guns/kr-9-sbr/

https://kalashnikov-usa.com/guns/kr-9rifle/

https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/products/aam-rmuz-09

https://hk-usa.com/

https://www.personaldefenseworld.com...ar15-carbines/

https://www.gunbacker.com/9mm-carbines/

https://gun.deals/product/uzi-9mm-carbine-725

https://www.minutemanreview.com/best-9mm-carbine/

https://gundigest.com/rifles/7-affor...e-options-2018

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com...e-rifle.12421/

whats you thoughts?

btw Ive played with quite a few of these carbines
theres a few I like (the uzi , MP5 and AK versions)
that impressed me as a personal defensive weapon option,
and several I think are basically junk,
(yes just personal opinion, so yours may differ)
hi-point and keltec come to mind

whats your experience