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04-04-2020 | 04:15 PM

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yeah posted mostly to get your opinions

you seldom find people how once having used these pistol caliber carbines,
- be aware that the pistol caliber carbines
- (most are available in 9mm para caliber,
- with
- 40 S&W and 10mm and 45 acp
who don,t have a strong opinion either favorable or negative,
they are either appreciated for lower recoil,
lower cost ammo and being a handy personal defensive weapon,
or as many guys see them,
a rather archaic , tool that has decades ago been superseded,
with the much more powerful ,
m1 carbine,
AR-15/

AK-47 style carbines

These other caliber options like .40 S&W and 10mm and 45 acp
are generally much more scarce or limited availability versions)
are fun to plink with and ammo's reasonably priced
these can be fun for informal plinking.
and certainly would in some cases be a good personal defensive weapon for the home,
or wife to have available in your home
,as recoil and muzzle blast is very very low and even a novice can generally shoot these well,with minimal practice,
provided shes willing to gain familiarity and practice in its use.
but its a weapon platform the military in most countrys no longer issues
,in significant numbers,
they are generally reserved for special ops troops in very limited numbers
pistol caliber carbines are not generally used by most front line combat troops,
and there's a damn good reason,
most pistol caliber carbines are almost the size and weight of an intermediate rifle caliber carbine,
in calibers like 223/5.56 and 7.62/39 and similar cartridges,
those calibers have more than twice the punch,
and three times the effective range.
most of the current commercial available pistol carbines could never pass military durability trials
(the UZI , H&K MP 5 and AK and AR 15 based versions are an exception)
yeah, police and security forces use some versions,
so ask yourself if you were given a choice in weaponry and in either case,
weight and size were similar.
the smaller pistol caliber carbines are mostly used with suppressors
(silencers??)
(that suppressor being added requires an additional ATF form and $200 tax stamp and approval)
where the smaller pistol calibers, and 8"-12" barrels,
make a great deal of sense,
is with the suppressor use.
because they are designed and used at under 100 yards,
to take out sentries with greatly reduced noise in the military use.
Id bet most of us, if given a choice in a potential personal defensive, combat scenario,
would step up to an intermediate rifle caliber carbine,
in calibers like 223/5.56 , 30 us govt carbine and 7.62/39 and similar cartridges,
personally Id damn sure rather carry a carbine ,
in calibers like 223/5.56 and 7.62/39 and similar cartridges,
now semi auto carbines are available in under 16" barrel lengths,
but if you buy one it requires a NFA $200 tax stamp and ATF approval,
which has restrictions and can take 4-7 months for approval
a carbine with a 16" barrel is the size of an intermediate cartridge carbine and to me it's a bad trade-off ,
you lost potential range and power, using a pistol caliber,
but are carrying the similar weight and size weapon.

If you might prefer something thats a good deal less military in appearance and very effective, in a personal defense carbine
theres always the option of a marlin 44 mag lever gun

https://gundigest.com/rifles/ar-15/s...aliber-carbine

https://www.ammoland.com/2019/08/6-r...e-makes-sense/

https://www.learnaboutguns.com/2008/...pros-and-cons/

https://thegunzone.com/best-9mm-carbines/

https://www.shootingillustrated.com/...ines-for-2019/

https://kalashnikov-usa.com/guns/kr-9-sbr/

https://kalashnikov-usa.com/guns/kr-9rifle/

https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/products/aam-rmuz-09

https://hk-usa.com/

https://www.personaldefenseworld.com...ar15-carbines/

https://www.gunbacker.com/9mm-carbines/

https://gun.deals/product/uzi-9mm-carbine-725

https://www.minutemanreview.com/best-9mm-carbine/

https://gundigest.com/rifles/7-affor...e-options-2018

http://garage.grumpysperformance.com...e-rifle.12421/

whats you thoughts?

btw Ive played with quite a few of these carbines
theres a few I like (the uzi , MP5 and AK versions)
that impressed me as a personal defensive weapon option,
and several I think are basically junk,
(yes just personal opinion, so yours may differ)
hi-point and keltec come to mind

whats your experience

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