what i meant was poof they were gone . being discontinued . no longer made . allot of people were afraid of them with smokeless powder. blowing up due to operator error . over charging & double charging. yeah they want 800 & up when they try to sell them. thers's 1 sitting on the black powder selling site on this site that's been sitting there for over a month now. local gun shop around here has 1 for sell well over a year now he gave 800 for it & was asking a grand & now i believe he's asking 800 or best offer & still no takers .