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Old 11-16-2019 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Nomercy448
Consider: an A2 stock on an AR-15 has a LOP of 13.5”, and almost all shooters benefit from having a cantilevered optic mount which sets the adjustment body at the front of the receiver - a position not attainable with standard vertical rings. Even with my VERY short neck, I still end up with my scopes in cantilever mounts to get my optics forward far enough. Can’t come remotely close to getting my nose to the charging handle unless I’m holding only the toe in the pocket ala Service Rifle Standing, but I still have to push my optics all the way to the front, like everyone else.

Very few gunshops remain in the US which have any experience at all in stock-fitting. We’ve seen far too many generations of generic rifle fitting for any of that to carry forward. Unless a shop has a staff gunsmith who can actually manage smithing tasks, instead of only simple clean and repair jobs, most shops would be a dead end.

The OP is likely to get closer by simply measuring from the crook of the elbow to the tip of the finger. Hold the pad of the trigger finger perpendicular to the forearm bones. Hold the wrist slightly indexed outward, heel of hand SLIGHTLY pressed inward, with the hand tilted downward to between 30-45 degrees (thumb side tilted forward, pinky side tilted backward/downward). Hold the elbow at 90 degrees. Measure between the crook of the elbow and the pad of the trigger finger. This is USUALLY within +/-1/4-1/2” of a natural, controllable, and comfortable LOP for most shooters. This same position can also be used to measure a shooters appropriate trigger reach in the hand.

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again I agree with you, but also, know for a fact, there are a lot of decent gun shops still, that can spot a guy that is holding a rifle incorrectly, pending how bad of form they have
I know when I had my shop I would watch customers shoulder used rifles I kept where they could access them freely, and you'd be surprised how many have NO clue how to shoulder a rifle or worse when there is a scope on them.
and even worse, many would then come uop to counter and brag about how experienced a shooter they were!
so, I still say a decent gun shop can help ID if its a issue with form, if its off a lot

I own dozens( well over a 100 ) rifles with scopes on them, the ONLY one's I have reverse rings on, are a few custom built ultra light rifles!
and they wear small light weight scopes, that just needed to go forward a little more than rest!

I have not had any issue';s with needing them rings on anything else ?
many issue's with AR's is the fact how HIGH a scope sits on them, causing again poor shooting form, for optic's period!
unless your dealing with a flat top receiver, and even then, most will still work fine with basic rings(have about 2+ dozen AR's like this) as the base design allows for a lot of forward movement IMO!

measuring length of pull , works great like you posted, but
IMO honestly won;t help completely if , the shooters form is way off?
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